﻿{"id":16957,"date":"2016-07-18T11:08:45","date_gmt":"2016-07-18T10:08:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/carnet\/?p=16957"},"modified":"2016-07-18T11:08:45","modified_gmt":"2016-07-18T10:08:45","slug":"le-non-debat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/","title":{"rendered":"Le non &#8211; d\u00e9bat"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Apr\u00e8s ces dramatiques \u00e9v\u00e9nements que nous traversons, j&rsquo;ai constat\u00e9 tristement plusieurs choses :<\/p>\n<p>1) les journalistes et les politiques n&rsquo;ont aucun recul sur l&rsquo;actualit\u00e9. A peine, les corps jonchaient le sol, que le flux d\u2019information des r\u00e9seaux sociaux nous inondaient. News contradictoires, journalistes en qu\u00eate de scoop \u00e0 vomir&#8230;En janvier 2015, j&rsquo;avais post\u00e9 <a href=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/prediction-de-marguerite-duras\/\">une citation de marguerite Duras<\/a>. Elle est toujours d&rsquo;actualit\u00e9 et je vous conseille de la lire.<br \/>\nUn exemple de cette pr\u00e9cipitation : Isabelle Kersimon journaliste dont j&rsquo;avais d\u00e9j\u00e0 parl\u00e9 <a href=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/isabelle-kersimon\/\">ici<\/a>. Cette derni\u00e8re, d\u00e9s le 15 juillet explique que le profil facebook du camionneur fou \u00e9tait r\u00e9v\u00e9lateur de sa d\u00e9rive islamiste. Connaissant les d\u00e9rives de cette experte je me permets une remarque sur son compte facebook.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16959\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/attachment\/388\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/388.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"500,546\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"388\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/388.jpg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16959\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/388.jpg\" alt=\"388\" width=\"500\" height=\"546\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Sauf que&#8230;ce n&rsquo;\u00e9tait pas le bon profil facebook et cette th\u00e9orie s&rsquo;effondrait. un site internet remarque l&rsquo;erreur et fait un article sur le sujet (<a href=\"http:\/\/cinquiemecolonne.canalblog.com\/archives\/2016\/07\/16\/34087988.html\">\u00e0 lire ici<\/a>). Isabelle kersimon admet son erreur mais reporte la responsabilit\u00e9 sur un vague journal tunisien dont on a aucune trace. Le commentaire de \u00ab\u00a0l&rsquo;experte\u00a0\u00bb vaut son pesant de cacahu\u00e8te :<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16961\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/attachment\/389\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/389.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,99\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"389\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/389.jpg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16961\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/389.jpg\" alt=\"389\" width=\"580\" height=\"99\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Personnellement je m&rsquo;attendais \u00e0 un d\u00e9menti d&rsquo;isabelle Kersimon, d&rsquo;une modification de l&rsquo;article de son blog. Rien ! celle ci laisse donc tra\u00eener une fausse information sur internet et sur facebook refusant tout d\u00e9bat. J&rsquo;ai d&rsquo;ailleurs post\u00e9 un commentaire sur <a href=\"http:\/\/islamophobie.org\/attentats-de-nice-tueur-lisait-ideologues\/\">son article<\/a>, il est toujours en mod\u00e9ration&#8230;je ne suis pas surpris.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16970\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/attachment\/393\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/393.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,270\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"393\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/393.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/393.jpg\" alt=\"393\" width=\"580\" height=\"270\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16970\" \/><\/p>\n<p>2) On assiste \u00e0 une v\u00e9ritable confusion des genres entre droite et gauche. Nous sommes le 16 juillet soit deux jours avec cette ignoble attaque \u00e0 Nice.Une amie partage cette actualit\u00e9 sur son compte facebook concernant un propos d&rsquo;Hani Ramadan.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16962\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/attachment\/390\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/390.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"503,381\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"390\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/390.jpg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16962\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/390.jpg\" alt=\"390\" width=\"503\" height=\"381\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Je me permets plusieurs remarques sur cet article :<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>l&rsquo;opinion d&rsquo;Hani Ramadan repr\u00e9sente t-elle la majorit\u00e9 des musulmans en France ? Je pense que non.<\/li>\n<li>Mettre en avant l&rsquo;opinion d&rsquo;un int\u00e9griste favorise t-il l&rsquo;union d&rsquo;un pays ? Je pense que non.<\/li>\n<li>Marianne est il devenu un torchon comme charlie hebdo ? Je pense que oui.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Une notification m&rsquo;alerte d&rsquo;une r\u00e9ponse, je m&rsquo;attends \u00e0 un d\u00e9bat constructif et j&rsquo;ai \u00e7a : <\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16964\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/attachment\/391\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/391.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"464,71\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"391\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/391.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/391.jpg\" alt=\"391\" width=\"464\" height=\"71\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16964\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Une fois de plus, une absence totale de discussion, et ce terme \u00ab\u00a0PADAMALGAM\u00a0\u00bb utilis\u00e9 comme argument. Ce terme comme le d\u00e9crit bien le journal \u00ab\u00a0le monde\u00a0\u00bb dans <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lemonde.fr\/pixels\/article\/2015\/02\/16\/padamalgam-sinistre-point-de-ralliement-de-l-islamophobie-en-ligne_4577256_4408996.html\">cet article<\/a> est utilis\u00e9 par :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;des \u00ab Fran\u00e7ais de souche \u00bb, des militants frontistes, des zemmouriens, des catholiques proches de la Manif pour tous ou encore des anarchistes de droite. Leurs messages, \u00e0 connotation raciste et islamophobe, \u00e9taient ais\u00e9ment visibles par quiconque&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16968\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/attachment\/392\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/392.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"534,267\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"392\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/392.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/392.jpg\" alt=\"392\" width=\"534\" height=\"267\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16968\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Pourtant en regardant le profil de mon contradicteur, je d\u00e9couvre plut\u00f4t une orientation \u00e0 gauche. Effrayant, des personnes de Gauche et droite utilisent des termes racistes. Daesh appr\u00e9ciera. ce mouvement qui veut pousser la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 fran\u00e7aise \u00e0 se diviser sur les questions d&rsquo;identit\u00e9 et l&rsquo;islam, r\u00e9ussit parfaitement son coup.<\/p>\n<p>3) La b\u00eatise des identitaires. En parlant d&rsquo;identit\u00e9 et de division, il est temps d&rsquo;aborder les fachos que l&rsquo;on trouve sur le r\u00e9seau. Il faut avouer que cela ne vole pas tr\u00e8s haut. A petite dose, cela peut \u00eatre tr\u00e8s amusant. Comme celui ci :<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16972\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/attachment\/394\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/394.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,448\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"394\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/394.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/394.jpg\" alt=\"394\" width=\"580\" height=\"448\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16972\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Suite \u00e0 mes r\u00e9ponses , cette personne m&rsquo;a bloqu\u00e9. Autre perle&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16974\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/attachment\/395\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/395.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,407\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"395\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/395.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/395.jpg\" alt=\"395\" width=\"580\" height=\"407\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16974\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Depuis plusieurs ann\u00e9es, le d\u00e9bat est totalement impossible. Les gens ne lisent que les titres des articles, partagent b\u00eatement des liens sans r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir \u00e0 leur port\u00e9e.  j&rsquo;ai une technique imparable pour \u00e9viter la perte de temps dans ces non-d\u00e9bats : M&rsquo;installer dans mon jardin, lire un bouquin, m&rsquo;\u00e9loigner du tumulte des r\u00e9seaux sociaux.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Apr\u00e8s ces dramatiques \u00e9v\u00e9nements que nous traversons, j&rsquo;ai constat\u00e9 tristement plusieurs choses : 1) les journalistes et les politiques n&rsquo;ont aucun recul sur l&rsquo;actualit\u00e9. A peine, les corps jonchaient le sol, que le flux d\u2019information des r\u00e9seaux sociaux nous inondaient. News contradictoires, journalistes en qu\u00eate de scoop \u00e0 vomir&#8230;En janvier 2015, j&rsquo;avais post\u00e9 une citation &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/le-non-debat\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continuer la lecture de <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Le non &#8211; d\u00e9bat<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-16957","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-archives"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2qkTM-4pv","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16957","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=16957"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16957\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=16957"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=16957"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=16957"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}