﻿{"id":17683,"date":"2017-03-12T19:59:35","date_gmt":"2017-03-12T18:59:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/carnet\/?p=17683"},"modified":"2017-03-12T20:10:22","modified_gmt":"2017-03-12T19:10:22","slug":"la-religion-me-fait-chier","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/la-religion-me-fait-chier\/","title":{"rendered":"La religion me fait chier"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Tout commence par <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Enthoven_R\/status\/838048087079813121\">un simple tweet de Rapha\u00eal Enthoven<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"17684\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/la-religion-me-fait-chier\/533-3\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/533.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,216\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"533\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/533.jpg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-17684\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"580\" height=\"216\" \/><br \/>\nJ&rsquo;ai relu plusieurs fois. &nbsp;\u00catre musulman, c&rsquo;est croire. &nbsp;donc \u00eatre musulman sans croire en Dieu&#8230;je d\u00e9couvre un concept un peu \u00e9trange. &nbsp;je ne vous cache pas qu&rsquo;au d\u00e9but je trouve \u00e7a m\u00eame totalement idiot. Je r\u00e9agis aussit\u00f4t<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"17686\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/la-religion-me-fait-chier\/534-3\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/534.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,197\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"534\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/534.jpg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-17686\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/534.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"580\" height=\"197\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Puis je me d\u00e9cide \u00e0 explorer le pourquoi d&rsquo;une telle phrase. Tout vient d&rsquo;un article du journal \u00ab\u00a0le point\u00a0\u00bb du Brice Couturier sur <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lepoint.fr\/editos-du-point\/sebastien-le-fol\/mehdi-meklat-l-enfant-gate-du-gauchisme-culturel-03-03-2017-2109018_1913.php\">Mehdi Meklat<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"17687\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/la-religion-me-fait-chier\/535-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/535.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,542\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"535\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/535.jpg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-17687\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/535.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"580\" height=\"542\" \/><br \/>\nL&rsquo;article est franchement mauvais. D&rsquo;un idiot comme Mehdi Meklat, on g\u00e9n\u00e9ralise \u00e0 toute la banlieue. Mieux, on parle d&rsquo;islamisme alors que ce jeune \u00e9crivain est ath\u00e9e. Les pr\u00e9jug\u00e9s vont bon train. celui ou celle qui porte un nom arabe est musulman. bref, n&rsquo;insistons pas trop. Donc le philosophe pour aller dans le sens de l&rsquo;article essaie d&rsquo;expliquer que l&rsquo;on peut \u00eatre musulman sans croire en dieu.<\/p>\n<p>Twitter n&rsquo;est pas l&rsquo;endroit pour r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir. &nbsp;surtout en 140 caract\u00e8res. Le tweet du philosophe a \u00e9t\u00e9 l&rsquo;origine d&rsquo;une petite temp\u00eate. Tout se croisait, on avait droit \u00e0 l&rsquo;islamophobe jusqu&rsquo;\u00e0 la salafiste convaincue.<br \/>\nje me suis occup\u00e9 d&rsquo;abord des islamophobes. &nbsp;je colle l&rsquo;image d&rsquo;un dialogue. Je ne vous cache pas ma consternation.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"17688\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/la-religion-me-fait-chier\/536-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/536.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,884\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"536\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/536.jpg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-17688\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/536.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"580\" height=\"884\" \/><br \/>\nPlusieurs personnes m&rsquo;interpellent et donnent leurs interpr\u00e9tations. &nbsp;Ce n&rsquo;est pas subtil et tr\u00e8s orient\u00e9. mais une chose m&rsquo;a marqu\u00e9. Les anti-islam sont tellement obs\u00e9d\u00e9s par le sujet qu&rsquo;ils ne parlent que du coran \u00e0 longueur de journ\u00e9e. Je me retrouve donc \u00e0 parler de la soi disante interdiction de l&rsquo;alcool avec un islamophobe qui ma\u00eetrise l&rsquo;abrogation des versets sur le bout des doigts et qui l&rsquo;oriente en version haine de l&rsquo;islam. Fatigant !<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"17690\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/la-religion-me-fait-chier\/537-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/537.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,774\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"537\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/537.jpg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-17690\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/537.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"580\" height=\"774\" \/><br \/>\nEn fait, la tournure de la discussion est tellement folle que j&rsquo;ai l&rsquo;impression de discuter avec un int\u00e9griste. Je quitte le d\u00e9bat pour atterrir vers un nouveau&#8230;sur l\u2019interpr\u00e9tation d&rsquo;un texte sacr\u00e9. et l\u00e0 , je me coltine une salafiste qui , sauf erreur de ma part, a 17 ans. On s&rsquo;accroche&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"17691\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/la-religion-me-fait-chier\/538-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/538.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"580,966\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"538\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/538.jpg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-17691\" src=\"http:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/538.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"580\" height=\"966\" \/><\/p>\n<p>J&rsquo;ai d\u00e9j\u00e0 v\u00e9cu cet argument des savants. En fait, cela se passait il y a quatre ans au boulot o\u00f9 j&rsquo;assistais, en tant que d\u00e9l\u00e9gu\u00e9 du personnel , une femme qui refusait de retirer son voile. Je lui avait expliqu\u00e9 que le r\u00e8glement int\u00e9rieur interdisait tous les signes religieux. &nbsp;son argument : les savants l&rsquo;avaient convaincu de garder le voile en toutes circonstances. Bilan : une femme avec trois enfants au ch\u00f4mage. bravo les savants.<\/p>\n<p>En fait, si le tweet de d\u00e9part de Rapha\u00ebl Enthoven \u00e9tait absurde, les diff\u00e9rents d\u00e9bats m&rsquo;ont prouv\u00e9 une chose. La religion me fait chier. &nbsp;J&rsquo;ai un respect infini pour les croyants ou non croyants mais lire \u00e0 longueur de journ\u00e9es des personnes qui sont sures et certaines de leur v\u00e9rit\u00e9 a un pouvoir de nuisance hallucinant qui fait perdre tout sens de la r\u00e9alit\u00e9. Faut il que les gens soient malheureux pour se concentrer uniquement sur ce sujet ! En parodiant la phrase de l&rsquo;artiste <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Robert_Filliou\">Robert Filliou<\/a>, je pense que cela s&rsquo;adresse bien aux croyants de tous bords: la religion est ce qui rend la vie plus int\u00e9ressante que la religion. <\/p>\n<p>Seul point positif \u00e0 ces d\u00e9bats, la d\u00e9couverte de cette \u00e9mission avec Souleymane Bachyr Diagne. 26 minutes de bon sens et de culture qui change du gloubi-boulga de twitter.<\/p>\n<div class=\"jetpack-video-wrapper\"><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"660\" height=\"372\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/dK7-44eCO4U?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=fr-FR&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/div>\n<p>Rapha\u00ebl Enthoven a fait une mise eu point dans <a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.fr\/raphael-enthoven\/en-quel-sens-est-il-possible-detre-musulman-sans-croire-en-dieu\/?utm_hp_ref=fr-homepage\">cet article<\/a>. M\u00eame si ces \u00e9claircissements \u00e9taient n\u00e9cessaires. je suis toujours dubitatif sur le fond.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tout commence par un simple tweet de Rapha\u00eal Enthoven. J&rsquo;ai relu plusieurs fois. &nbsp;\u00catre musulman, c&rsquo;est croire. &nbsp;donc \u00eatre musulman sans croire en Dieu&#8230;je d\u00e9couvre un concept un peu \u00e9trange. &nbsp;je ne vous cache pas qu&rsquo;au d\u00e9but je trouve \u00e7a m\u00eame totalement idiot. Je r\u00e9agis aussit\u00f4t Puis je me d\u00e9cide \u00e0 explorer le pourquoi d&rsquo;une &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/la-religion-me-fait-chier\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continuer la lecture de <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">La religion me fait chier<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":true,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-17683","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-archives"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2qkTM-4Bd","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17683","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=17683"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17683\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=17683"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=17683"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bobig.fr\/journal\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=17683"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}